Welcome back, everybody. Another episode of 911 for Wired. This is a community affairs video podcast where we talk about politics, education and culture, all sorts of things that are impacting people primarily in Westchester. But we talk about the whole the whole shootin match on here. So my partner in this endeavor is Ardina Seward. And I should also mention Peter Moses, who is not here today because we're recording this on a Jewish holiday, or at least it's a Jewish holiday in the evening. And Peter is preparing a meal for an extended family. So our guest is very special. Guest today is a city council member from New Rochelle, Shane Oshinloye. Welcome, Shane. Now, we've spoken a bunch of times and and I know you're from the New Rochelle scene. We appreciate you coming on here to, you know, kind of chop it up with us a little bit. I want to begin by talking about what's happening today. Not only is it a Jewish holiday, but it's also a global holiday called Earth Day. Yes. Yeah. Tell us about Earth Day, what Earth Day means here in Westerners. A lot of events going on. Well, the wonderful thing about our population here in Westchester and especially in there, so we have such a strong contingent of people that care very much about the environment, very deeply about it. You know, so we've had we have Earth Day celebrations happening all over the county and New Rochelle. We had a feature one in Anderson Plaza on Saturday from maybe ten in the morning to about 4 p.m. in the afternoon. Anderson Plaza. Hold on a second, Jane. So I know New Rochelle fairly well is Anderson Plaza where the Anderson Bookstore used to be. What's an example? Well. Most people know where Tom Piazza is. It's over by New Rock. So the block from town Pizza leading up to Applebee's, if you know if you know new rock. Okay. If you don't catch it, it's so little. It's almost like a lookout place. Yes. Look. Right. Right off the lookout place. Between Lookout place and. And North Avenue. Yep. Yep. Gotcha. Now, I know we talk about nice. So Earth days or Earth days is bumping along in the city of New Rochelle. Yes. And, you know, it's a story a lot of communities actually come out that day. And the community cleanups. You know, it's also a good way to do some maintenance and and do some, you know, some assessment of what your needs are in your community. So it's very highly encouraged if you have anything going on in your community today like picking up trash or something, it's not as painful or arduous as you might think it is. So definitely, please go do it wherever you have. There's a real need for us now. There's a really I was looking at some apartments this weekend and I was at a building, a beautiful building, not in New Rochelle and the surrounding perimeter area of it is like this garbage all over the street. It's. It is a scorch. It's like a you know, apart from the the broader global implications of you know, conservation. It's a terribly unsightly thing to write when you're like walking along the street and there's coffee cups and newspaper paper and garbage strewn about. Now it's Sunday. Maybe it got cleaned up on Friday and it just accumulated over the weekend. But it's a real thing and I think it also has a psychological effect. It's like that broken window concept. You know, it's like when one little thing goes wrong, other things tend to get worse as well. Right. Well, I can't I can't speak for other communities, of course, But for Marisol, there were a few streets, including the train station, where people had concerns about seeing an increase in trash. You know, it's something that I mean, that's basically what the role of the city council is, to take the concerns that people bring to us and bring it down through city management for it to be taken care of. And why is that, Sean? Why is that? Does that have to do with manpower, with the Department of Sanitation? Those have to do with people in general who are not being responsible. It's it's just literally a very you know, it's a part of the process of things. So actually alternate side of the street parking in there is show was is not to spend it at the moment. So there's usually an uptick in a downtick in the ability to do street cleaning with the street sweepers because alternate side of the street parking is not in effect. So when you see like little things like that, it's not like, oh, you know, the town's I mean, we've been accused of all sorts of things lately. The town's being destroyed or buildings are coming down, God knows. But it's really just like alternate side of the street. Parking is not in effect right now. So what I'm hearing is you're on the you're on the city council for four months and you're hearing every problem that's gone wrong for decades. Yes. Within the four months. All our fault. You know, I'm I have and it's funny to that point. I know it. We know what we've done. I know what I've done. So it's it it just makes it it makes it humorous If people weren't so belligerent about it. Yeah, well, I think you have to have a sense of humor to be on the city council anyplace because you're going to hear it. And and I think that that's the hard part, is that you kind of if you allow it to, it can be unhealthy because you can you can sort of internalize the problems. And and I think what you said a second ago is very interesting, Shane, which is, you know, these problems were here before you got here or you said something to that effect and you kind of you can if you can hang onto that, I think you can be on the city council for a very long time. You do need to maintain a city. Well, do you. Think people. So I have one question. Why are you wearing a tie dye shirt? Is that related to this? No, this is from Oh, my God, I forgot. And I was trying to look for the name of the organization before I got on. This is from a social services organization. I'm going to get it to you. And the next time I'm on the air, I'm going to bring their names up because I want to. Will, after the show, email it to me and I'll put the name of the organization into the show. Now, they're doing they they were offering these at the New Rochelle Street Fair last last September. And they're also giving out kits for people that I forgot what the kids are called. But for people that are having like an overdose where you could save them in the moment from those kids. I know what you're talking about. It's called Narc. Yes. They were giving up narcotics kits and they were selling T-shirts. I don't know if it was to fundraise for their organization or not, but tie dye T-shirts, social cause you have a cell with me. So that's why I'm here. Okay. Very interesting. There's a big push on to distribute Narcan around New York State. There's a New York state agency, o a SARS. You go to that website, I'll put it in the show notes, and you can actually order two doses of Narcan. I mean, I hope I never need it. Right? But I ordered one and it showed up in the mail about six weeks later. And the state is trying to make sure that there's Narcan available all over the place because this it's just very sad. I don't know that much about it. But this fentanyl crisis is real and sadly, if something like that happens, you can save. All right. So anyway, that's kind of a sidebar. It's a it's a it's a nasally delivered counter drug medicine. That's what I. Just texted the young lady that works there. Like, what's the name of your organization again? I give up. Yeah. Always. No, you can't remember it. You can't remember everything. I'm trying to remember how to pronounce your last name. Osinloye. So that's new to me, because in full disclosure, here I am acquainted with the Osinloye family because I went to high school with Shane's aunt, and I gather that the family somewhere along the way became connected to Nigerian roots and determined that the correct pronunciation is Osinloye. So as originally, I, I certainly and my Nigerian family cleared that up for us. So we were saying Osinloye for the first time, years of my life until my uncle's wedding and my Nigerian family came and they said, How are you pronouncing our last name again? So we we cleaned okay after I mean, then, you know, we we take it phonetically, you know, as long as you get some variation, some people annihilate the name. So if you say it phonetically. And I gather I'm one of them, I'm one of them. So did you when you ran for office, was it hard to you know, it's not an American name. It's not Johnson. It's not Smith. Was it hard running for office? No, I have a spectacular district, you know. Oh, I've been meaning to say this for a while. I'm very particularly proud of my district in my city because I'm not the first black male city councilman in my district. And this is not the historically black district before. I mean, the last guy was a Republican. It is what it is. But the fact that I'm not the first black guy means I do actually have a district that celebrates diversity, that doesn't buck against having black male leadership. You know what I mean? Like, I have people that aren't going to be there's not going to be a vitriol against me in my you know, in my living space. So I'm very calm. So this is this is interesting to me. So let me let me provide a little context around this. New Rochelle has what are called councilman districts, five districts. Correct. Six plus six districts. And then the mayor is elected at large. Yes. And so what you're telling me now and my my recollection here, it's rolling the clock back to approximately 1991, there was a lawsuit that brought us these councilman districts in New Rochelle, whereas prior to that time, there were five city council members who were all elected at large. I think it was four. So. So you're telling me that the district that you reside in is was not the district that sort of had a preponderance of nonwhite people, is that correct? Stated that's not exactly how I describe it. I would describe it as there were specific spaces in there to show that where black homeowners had very established neighborhoods and this was not one of them. The diversity of my district was not intentional. It wasn't. It was I wouldn't say it was happenstance because we've had serious crises in or so with urban renewal and things like that. But, you know, it shows that in the heart of the city, you know, because we have the train station, we have the literal circulatory system of the city. Sure. And we're sure, you know, where people naturally landed. It's actually perfectly diverse. Is 30% black, 30% white, 30% Hispanic, and 7% Asian. Seven points. Yeah. Yeah. Shane, tell us what you think the top two or three big issues are in New Rochelle and I won't bog you down with the distractions, you know, of the mayor and the you know, you're not the mayor yet. You don't have to worry about the exact same issues. On, say. First black mayor. Oh, Shane Loya, what are the top two or three issues? I think I think some of the top well, number one for me is shoring up the things that have been lost or by the wayside. We've only actually had one council president that's lived south of Main Street for a very long time now. So there's some issues. Like I told you, there's some things that I've already been able to clean up and pull through that I'm very proud of the ability to have, you know, initiated them early with our buildings department, we actually are making an effort to have a complex take their trash off of the street by having them house their trash on their property, as opposed to on the public street, which is also across from a strip mall. And that's also where, you know, our children are going to school, walking to school, the Trinity, Trinity, and as a gang, I'm down in Davenport right now, and one of the adjacent complexes basically would line the street with garbage and it would be there. And there was a rat and mouse. I didn't know you can have both infestations one time of rats and mice. There is a rat and mouse problem and you have our kids walking past garbage and it's not something new. It was actually that way. I'm 38 years old now. As of last month, so ignore my birthday party. That was a week ago. I was just too busy. But when I was 14, 15, 16, you know, in this neighborhood, actually, I moved to I moved to Franklin Avenue when I was about ten years old. So ever since, you know, we've been walking to school next to garbage for that entire time, one year at Trinity and my entire tenure at Isaac. And when these things are happening, you think of them as normal because it's the way it is. You think it has to be that way for some reason, because that's the way it is. That is not the case. So we were able to push that through. And basically, number one on my list for everything is just shoring up what we should have been doing all along. And that's you know, what I will say is, you know, this is why you need diversity, not just in racial diversity, not just in gender diversity. Age diversity is important. Geographic diversity is important. You know, there are a lot of different types of representation that we're trying to shore up right now. And so let me ask about a follow up on that. So you mentioned a minute ago that there is not geographic diversity on the council right now. There is now. You're welcome. It's so. It's so out of the out of the five members, not is it five plus the mayor or five, including the mayor. Six plus the mayor. The six plus the mayor. So out of the six council members, those are all coming from Councilman Alec districts. But you have to reside in your district in order to run. You have to residing and district to be okay. Yes. Okay. So then there has to be geographic diversity by definition. You know. If your district is cut very interestingly, then you could completely avoid entire communities and entire sections of the city. And then also, you know, if your district is covering like I have a diagonal basically through New Rochelle. So if your district is covering like a wide swath where you live in that swath is completely random and happenstance. So no, you could easily avoid, you know, geographic diversity. Just do that. So I'm I'm sorry. Go, go, go, go. The Lexington Center for Recovery is where I got this shirt. So shout out to X mazing tie dye shirt with this giant. Yep. Send me a new URL or some contact info and I'll put it in the show. Notes are dads and speaking. Speaking of diversity, what has been done or is being done to help the folks over on Winthrop Avenue in the housing projects? Yeah. So you know, I'll combine answers. This is another one of my priorities, housing. So we're going to look at you know, we're going to look at as many not just for that section and, you know, not to be myopic and direct to that because that's actually not in my council district that David Peters is the councilperson. So but overall, we are communicate and I would say that we are trying to become much more innovative when we approach any topic when it comes to housing, when it comes, you know, back to Earth Day, when it comes to the environment, when we talk about communications, there are a lot of things that we need to be much more intentional and assertive and innovative surrounding. There are a lot of interesting things happening in this country right now that I think we would love to see a nurse. So one of my biggest priorities is home ownership. You know, the and and of course, there's the discussion of affordable housing. My mission is for people to afford the housing that that goes to the economics of how we're creating living wages in there are so as well those are not disparate topics so I would say that that's a very close number to besides the maintenance that we need to do right now. But it's also those are topics we talk a lot about on this show. We have done a bunch of shows on housing and affordable housing. We had three consecutive shows about affordable housing in Mamaroneck fairly recently, and it's a hot topic that people want to talk about. And New Rochelle comes up all the time, and particularly the 5 to 6000 apartments over there. And I don't know how many opportunities there are for middle class people to afford to purchase something. You know, it's one thing to be able to afford the houses, but it's another thing to be able to afford the taxes in New Rochelle. Right. Because when you're talking about the the increased need for services as the population in New Rochelle starts to expand rapidly, you're going to have to make sure that the infrastructure gets tuned up so you don't have a lot of floods and you have proper sewage, which is going to cost money, the school system. So is there anything I mean, it sounds like a dumb question, but is there anything being done to mitigate the coming storm of homeowners having to pay more taxes and hence people not being able to afford those houses? So, I mean, the affordability is not one sided and people's abilities to afford the housing, having subsidize home ownership and homeownership programs is also, you know, pulling from the other end as well. But regarding adding the taxes, here's here's number four on the list. You asked me for a top three. So here's number four. Number four on the list is helping people understand, well, what exact part of our local government infrastructure is actually responsible for the bulk of what you're paying in taxes, The bulk of your maintenance, things like that, because the vast majority of your taxes, I won't give you an exact percentage right now, but the vast majority of your taxes is actually driven by the school district. Yeah. Yeah, well, that's not us. We're your cleanup crew is saying, Oh. Yeah, right. So, so, you know, just understanding that, understanding that with us, understanding that we're also looking to shore up our relationship with our school district and our school board. You know, we know many of the members already. We actually have a council person that was just recently on the school board. So we're deepening our relationship in our communications with each other to see what the possibilities are there. With that said, yeah, just helping people understand. Yeah. So, you know, you want to talk about the other 80% of your taxes. That's a lot of that's another podcast. Yeah. So will that be. So that being said, just one. More part. Yeah, go. Ahead. This is one of the things that I've been concerned about. And you know, there are a lot of buzzwords like a like, you know, transit oriented development things, 15 minute cities, all of these buzzwords for, you know, that are competitive. On just your outlook as far as how you're developing the city overall. Regardless of all that, my mission is to make sure that that the wages that are created for the nearest aliens are created here. You know, any hope that we can have with that is vital. So please, you know, Charlie, like you said earlier, I'm not going to know everything. The only one thing that I need to know is that I perpetually need to ask who does? No, you know, I'm going to forget. I ask the person that will remember, you know what I mean? For Earth Day that becomes important is to roll that back in because there is a mega ton of money that the federal government has approved over the last few years that has to do with capital project reinvestment, that has to do with creating green jobs, that has to do with training, that has to do with implementing different types of engineering, not just like, you know, paying the engineer, but actually developing the new technologies that will need to address the climate crisis. You know. Knowing also what I'm hearing, what I'm hearing in your remarks is that you need you need a relationship with your federal and state partner. Oh, is that Segway? Yes. Shane, you could you could do the show. It could be, you know, it's perfect. Seven, 914. Nice move. Nice move. Yeah. So. So you're in the arena, you sort of have an acute awareness of these pressing topics of the priorities. And certainly it takes dollars to get these things done. And those kinds of dollars don't grow on trees. But the the federal government has a money tree. Right? And you're right, You need a relationship. You're in the arena, you're active in I assume you've been active in local politics longer than your time on the city council. And so you kind of know where people's what you understand the zeitgeist. And I think you've been somewhat active on the the Bowman campaign in this recent round against George Latimer. I'd like to hear where you think things are in, like what is the meaning of this race, not just you know, the the under over, but like, what's the story? What's going on? Well, you know, I've been I've been supportive of the Bowman campaign. I'm one of the elected officials that endorsed him early on. And I'm not actually, like officially on the campaign anymore. I was with them during the period for petitioning just to make sure they got on the ballot. But I have a lot to do on city council. And I also have other roles that I need to be responsible to. So but just the and just to be clear, because this gets very much lost, I actually was I almost said am I actually was a George Latimer supporter as well. That's that's important. Like, you know we mean we need to like sit on that for a while that a lot of people that have had that have been forced to pick sides at this moment, we're actually supportive of both of these people. This is not a necessary very primary. This is not there is no empty suit involved there. You know, Bowman has brought money to every part of this district, including nurse, including $12 million to do the link project that we're trying to do in the center of the city. That's going to be a transportation project, a community third space, a creation of a project that's going to be, you know, an economic investment, because I and the other councilperson that oversee that are going to make sure that we have, you know, a strong investment into the business community and the entrepreneurship community here. You know, so so there was no lame duck in either one of these spaces. And and and to say, you know, who I'm supporting or not, that the fact that I was supporting George Latimer, that's exactly why him challenging Jamal is a betrayal. And what this is, of course, we're getting to this at the end of the show where I wish we had started this at the beginning of the show. So we can we can extend for a couple of minutes because we took a break there in the middle. What is Latimer's relationship to New Rochelle and frankly, what has he done for New Rochelle? I can't think of for the latter question, I can't think of anything off the top of my mind. But also so that's another point. If you want to look for a distinction in the two candidates, anything Jamaal Bowman has done his he was a principal before this. So anything he's done is him doing it. It's him in his office, anything he was able to do. And every office has shortcomings. There's never been any such thing as a perfect politician, but anything he does is him. Anything George Latimer does is George Latimer plus the entire county legislative board. So it's not just George Latimer doing these things, it's George Latimer, the entire board of our economy legislators, every mayor and every establishment throughout Westchester. He doesn't operate in a bubble. That's the difference between the role of a county executive and a congressperson. The congressperson is an isolated thing. A congressperson operates solely with their office. The county executive works with the County Legislative Board on top of that and the county, it doesn't. It doesn't a member of Congress operate in the in the context of the other 434 members? Yeah, absolutely. For sure. And that that actually even emphasizes the point because those other 434 members out of the 435, they have nothing to do with our district and they don't care hide nor hair. The vast majority don't care, hide nor hear what happens here, you know. So that's even more to the point of being able to pull those resources down from the federal government and negotiate those things. As a congressman, you know what we're right now that's very different than having a triple layer of Westchester supporting, you know, whatever initiative you have in the green light. So is it is it fair? Is it fair then then to Judge Latimer equally with with Bowman, even though they're in two different roles? In other words, if Latimer were to become the congressperson for District 16, would he not be able to give equal emphasis on New Rochelle, as Bowman has done? Or is that being presumptuous? We don't know, because I can't think of a scenario where he's operated in isolation in that way. We don't know. She has let me let me try to understand a little bit about this. So we have an incumbent. He's running for his third term in Congress. The incumbency rate in Congress is north of 90%. And yet this is considered to be an extremely contentious race without anybody predicting over under what's going to happen. There's a race going on here. This is a definite horse race. And and I'm wondering if you can share from your perspective you kind of you still young guy and and you you've articulated an affinity for some of the positions that Jamaal Bowman US ascribes to. Like. Let me let me state the question a different way. When lose or draw, whatever Bowman has to offer isn't going away. There's something there. I sense that there's an interest on the part of younger voters. There's an interest on the part of left leaning and progressive people. There is an interest in something he's doing or he wouldn't be there in the first place, of course. And and win lose or draw that that orientation for lack of a better term, is not going away. If Congressman Bowman is not my congressman and I don't have a black male anywhere upstream in government representing me. So no, absolutely not. I definitely won't has an entire perspective going into Congress and representing me. I will be my only black male elected leader at this moment. If came. Jenkins doesn't run for county legislator, which he probably will. But you know sides that operating with the. Well, the mayor, the mayor of New Rochelle. Is she's black. She's not a black male. It's a. Very. Okay, okay, okay. Point taken. That race, even a consideration is a consideration. We live in America. I'm not going to pretend or you know, it's not when we've had 400 years of a scenario with the race based politics, when we've had decades of riots, there was a woman that knocked on their door and she said, Oh, well, Jamaal Bowman brought up the reparations thing. And, you know, I think we just need to forget about slavery. I said, I could go back every single decade, never mention slavery once and still justify reparations. But back to 2008 financial crisis, we're not in that scenario. And this is the problem with West Country, and this is why a leader like Bowman is so important. We can't pretend and young people are no longer going to pretend that things like race, things like gender, things like age are not factors in representation because they've played themselves out that way. Regardless of how many people that don't represent you in any kind of a way, save it, They don't really matter. But is that clearly painting the whole picture rather homogenous? Because what it means or what I what it appears to mean is that Jamaal Bowman BOWMAN being a black person would have a certain sensitivity, certain of means of legislating, which would benefit the black community. But why? Why could that not be ascribe also, for argument's sake, to a white person who may have equal sensitivities? Or is that being naive? Can I answer something real quick while you think about that shame? Shane, hang on one second. rDNA What I think I'm hearing in Shane's remarks is that before you get to the minute in the grip of the specific details of the appropriations and the votes and all that people feel seen by Jamaal Bowman. Okay, Yeah, I'll give you that. Sure. And I think that's that's a. Thing I have knocked on doors and had young men like, oh, wow, you're our councilman. Like, that's so cool. And like with you meet your congressman, it's a very different thing. And honestly, that access, if I could describe one of a multitude and again, this is just one topic where you gave a particular scenario of, oh, well, you know, one or the other is still basically going to get the same thing. This is only one thing in the list of things that I have where it's like, no, I actually will lose a very specific type of representation because of this talent. The relationships between our communities, the relationship between the black community and government, and understanding what your relationship is supposed to be, understanding the funding resources that government could provide from the local, county, state and federal levels, including the regions that the states identify. Having that type of feedback, having that type of inside access, being communicated to our communities, helping our nonprofit, an NGO organization leaders understand, Hey, these are your funding sources coming up for those things that you care about and that I care about, too. These are this is the opportunity for you to to present your own candidate for local government. This is your you know, I could keep on going through the list of the things that we will lose in communication by having somebody that doesn't directly represent us. And skin folk aren't always kinfolk either. So I'm just I'm by more. Listen, if we're going to talk through in a talk through info doesn't mean kinfolk. So, Sali, what that means is just because somebody is a black representative doesn't necessarily mean that they're going to represent the black community. And I think that throughout West Chester, if you want to talk about the the narrative of what's happening, I think that's why people have been so supportive of Congressman Bowman, because even though he is a congressman, which is the way up in the level, he still will come to the hood and speak to the kids that are running programs there. He'll still go to that graduations ceremony. He'll still go to that young adults thing. He'll go to that before he goes to the dinner. Well, to his credit, I mean, you got to hand it to him. Jamaal Bowman grew up in the PGA, so that's what people know, what the peaches are. That's slang for the housing projects, right? He's the real deal. He comes from Walmart. It comes from the source that raised by a single mother. And so he can speak. He's authentic. People may like or people may dislike him, he's authentic. And he could that to the poverty in black neighborhoods. Right. That's and that's what people I think are connecting with that. But I'd like your comment on this, Shane, because I was looking at the they got a website called Clerk of the United States House of Representatives where you can see exactly how everybody votes on everything from the present all the way back to 1789 and last week when they had those for sort of I don't know what they call them, but like four separate bills that got sent to the Senate as one. And this is I like your comment on this. So so not surprisingly, Representative Bowman voted for the Ukraine appropriation. He voted against the Israel appropriation. He voted for the Taiwan Indochina appropriation, and he voted against the law that would require TikTok disassociate itself from the Chinese government. Mm hmm. So they, you know, the the the Congress decided to make these for separate votes so that people could pick and choose. But the problem that I think that this presents politically for Jamaal Bowman is for all of the the things that he has to offer on those no votes he's voting with MAGA Republicans. No, he's voting with Marjorie Taylor. GREENE He's voting with Paul Construction. Understand that there are a multitude of bills that I could go through for the last 40 years, 50 years where the hyper conservatives like the Freedom Caucus and the fiscal conservatives and things like that have voted in alignment with Democrats for completely separate reasons to vote for those things. In a vote, you get a yes or no, you don't get a vote. And then, you know, like in the Supreme Court, you get a vote and then you can give the notes of exactly why you took that vote. Like, that's not the scenario that we play. So to make that alignment, I mean, we we I don't think establishment Democrats want to do that with the to try to say, you know, Jamaal Bowman is in alignment with like MAGA Republicans. Let's not I could talk about who's funding the races right now in Westchester and making the alignment in the other direction for who's working in alignment with MAGA Republicans. Well it's the argument about about a PAC which leads me to the next question is what do you tell your what do you tell Jewish residents in your council district as to your support of. BOWMAN Which ones? Well, that's like that's exactly which ones, because that's a good that's a good answer because they are progressive Jewish voters who are solid smack down for. BOWMAN And there are other Jewish voters who won't is their worst nightmare because of his is his relationship, not his relationship. That is because of his his remarks about Israel and support of Israel. So to try to to wrap things in the space of time that we have usually for these podcasts and things, we we try to like pull together and create these I don't want to say generalizations because that would be a generalization in and of itself. The nuance of this is throughout even my short time, you're helping with the petitioning. Being an elected official myself and dealing with, you know, interacting with various communities and dealing with different issues right here and there. So I've found every single type of voter in different communities. So I've found, you know, conservative Jewish voters who don't support Jamaal. I've I've Zionist Jewish supporters of Jamal who say I don't like what he's doing. You know, as far as the votes that he's taken in Congress regarding this issue. But I'm not a single issue voter and I like him for so many other reasons. There is the progressive Jewish voter who is like, well, you know, he's in perfect alignment with all of my politics. You know, I've found every different scenario to try to wrap it in a neat bubble. And one of the things that I've seen is it was shocking to me even to have that. Oh, yeah, no, I'm a Zionist, self-described Zionist who are like, Yeah, but I don't want to. I like having a I these are white men in white women, older. So they're not younger Jewish voters either. Right? They're traditional liberal. Democrat having a. Yeah, traditional liberal Democrat. They're just is just a person that has an issue and feels a certain way about the issue but still likes Jamal. They didn't wake up in the morning and certify like the Twitter check. Oh, I'm a traditional liberal Jewish. It's not like No, it does that they feel that way. And I like. I like your message. I like your message And what the way you're coming at this is. You've said it in three words, Shane, which I'm going to remember. We're going to talk about it the next time you come on the show. No knead ball. There's no need but. Very well thought. Out and that's why and I think that's what makes this particular campaign so difficult to predict because there is no neat bubble. There's a lot of different vectors and angles. And I don't know anybody I don't know anybody that quite knows exactly how this is going to land. But Shane Osinloye, thank you for being our guest on 914 Wired We really appreciate you coming on here and sharing your perspective and your way of thinking about things and sharing a little bit about what's happening in your thinking. Man. Change your thinking, man. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So that's going to do it for today. Ardina. That's it for today and it's going to wrap up. Thank you for having me. And listen, thank you, Shane. And send over those links will put them into the, into the show notes. If you're watching on YouTube, definitely click subscribe so that you find out when there's a new episode. If you're listening to the podcast podcast on any of the various platforms, click follow. 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